Is Dimash Kudaibergen the greatest microphone singer of all time?

Yes, apparently this is what a whole lot of people think (the title of post was meant to be at least partially facetious)!  Why?  Well, it serves the purpose of the Youtube voice coaches who create “reaction” videos, which seem to generate a great deal more hits (and thus revenue) than their singing instruction and technique videos, which sometimes have no more than a few hundred hits.  But let’s take a look at the reality, starting with the kind of “reaction” video to which I’m referring:

Does this sound great to you?  He’s certainly using different techniques to produce sounds that are quite distinct, though his “big note” sounds clearly discordant.  But let’s reserve judgement for a moment.  This was my comment:

…I think it would be best to assess a performance that appears to have a lot less technological enhancement, such as:

And listening to this performance, the first thing I would say to an aspiring singer is that this guy is doing things that are simply outside the Western musical tradition, so of course it sounds “special” (and at one point it sounded to me like what would be called the witch’s cackle in the old Italian tradition, which would never be performed). I’m glad to see someone getting some credit for demonstrating the range of the adult male voice (his might be lighter than most, though), but let’s at least be honest about what we are listening to. He’s got excellent control, and I’d guess he put a lot of effort into doing this, but there’s nothing superhuman here. I’d classify him as a kind of “classical crossover” singer. If he becomes popular in the West I have no doubt we will see a bunch of “Dimash wannabees,”‘ and some of those might even do a better job of it, though I doubt by much, since he’s certainly quite good at this kind of thing.

When I wrote that comment this was the best video I could find that seemed more “real,” but then I found another (below) – take a listen:

Does this sound good to you?  It doesn’t to me, though it’s possible that this is a popular style in the East.   And he “shows passion,” I’d guess, to certain demographics, but it comes across to many Westerners as “showing off” without much in the way of musicality, I’d guess.  In any case, I certainly would like him to “succeed” in the West (with this unconventional approach), and there are a lot worse singers in the world who are “stars,” that’s for sure!  The reason is that people might become more critical of singing skills/technique (as well as the enhancements that are used).  However, I think he might get “called out” here in the USA for using auto-tune in an obvious way, for example (this is my guess as to at least how some of the sounds were generated).  Now I don’t know what standard, if any, he may be thinking about while doing this, or perhaps he wants to be a “trail blazer,” which, again, I find interesting if not compelling.

It’s clearly not of the Bel Canto tradition, but there seems to be an attempt to at least reference it, for whatever reason.  Turning to the second video above, his movements and physical exertion don’t seem consistent with this singing (unlike in the third video), suggesting at least partial lip syncing.  In any case, what I object to are claims that someone is on some sort of super-human level as a singer, with some of those making the claim not recognizing (or not mentioning) significant technological enhancement when it is so obviously present.  And whatever you think of this vocalist, do not try and imitate him until you learn the fundamentals of singing!  Instead, just keep listening to different singers (as “real” as possible – don’t just listen to studio recordings!) as you learn the fundamentals and you’ll start to be able to perceive what’s possible (without enhancement) and what’s not.

Now let’s say, hypothetically, that in the first video above his voice is only amplified, along with some amount of  reverb/echo type effect (which is almost always the case with microphone singing).  I would say that represents an interesting vocal performance, certainly not without some level of virtuosity, but it has no  context to me.  I perceive it as some sort of “oddball” classical crossover song.  So, I can’t say he’s a “great” singer or not, because I need to have a sense of the theme and genre of the song, and then I can consider if the singing is consistent with these.  I don’t really think much of classical crossover in general, because to me it’s like watching an auto race where the cars are slow – it just doesn’t make sense (because to me opera singing is to be done without amplification as well as other enhancements; there’s a tradition where you compare past “greats” with present ones, because they are trying to sing the same songs in the same way).  Now if a microphone singer wants to do something novel with opera, that may be worth listening to (at least once), but I would want the singer to be an excellent opera singer to begin with (and I don’t think Dimash is there yet, but again, I don’t even know if that’s what he’s going for!).

42 thoughts on “Is Dimash Kudaibergen the greatest microphone singer of all time?

    • Thanks for the link. There are a lot of good examples of his “real” voice. While listening to it, one thought I had is that he sometimes utilized an operatic tenor type technique, except that it’s missing “chiaroscuro,” so it sounds a bit different, sort of “dry.” He’s definitely worth listening to if you are an aspiring singer, just so long as the person realizes he may never sound exactly like Dimash and also that you should not start out as a beginner trying to emulate him!

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    • Well, to my ears that is absolutely gorgeous! He has a beautiful voice! I don’t care if he’s not technically perfect. I’d rather hear a performance full of emotion that touches my heart and soul rather than one that’s technical and devoid of real emotion. I do think it’s important though, for the health of the singer’s vocal cords, to sing correctly so they can enjoy a long career, but I don’t think cracks or flaws in one’s performance matter as much as giving it your all, in total abandon, to move your audience.

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  1. Yes. Like most famous singers these days from all parts of the world. They all sound better when they lip sync to pre recorded tracks and in their studio recordings. Some even became masters of lip syncing for years and we all fell for it. Some even sound so bad singing live, I don’t know why on earth they want to become singers at all. Somehow they manage to gain fame and sell records after records because of their good physical appearance.

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    • I have addressed this, here and there, in previous posts. In some cases, producers or others are telling them how to sing. In other cases they may have figured it out on their own. The sound engineers can clean it up (or it is a lip sync) and the audience doesn’t realize what’s going on, with very few exceptions. It’s a situation where one can possibly “make the big bucks” or take years to try and learn how to sing optimally without the technological enhancement or studio recording/lip syncs. Guess which option most choose? In Dimash’s case, it’s difficult for me to say why he sings the way he does because I am not familiar with pop singing outside the American/English context. It may be that those strident/harsh qualities are valued among his major audiences. Thanks for the comment!

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  2. hi im a fan of Dimash can you tell me which parts of the 2nd video were lipped or you believe are lipped? i have noticed something off with some of his high notes in them songs but never really wanted to believe it but weren’t completely sure i know he has lipsynced a lot and theres even possible proof he hasn’t been using high mix voice for too long maybe since 2011 in the 5th octave but i could be wrong on that

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    • Sorry it took a while to get back to you. I was on vacation and then I had a lot of things to catch up on. Anyway, I can’t say anything was lip-synced in that video. I think I’d call what he does around 1:15 to 1:19 “falsetto overtones,” but that could be pre-recorded and basically a product of technology, for all I know. Now in the third video, around 2:45 to 2:46, that’s just plain, old “off pitch.”

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  3. thats why i believe his style might seem like its all over the place since he took a whole different direction so late i have a mini theory on it in one of my playlists on YouTube that might explain his straining that people talk about a lot, theres even proof hes training a lot more now than back then hes been using the NAY NAY vocal exercise in the “screaming idol hits behind the scenes” which can be used for mix and hes been doing a lot more low notes recently than ever before which might be him building his supported range up for low to high

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    • Well, sometimes what sounds strained really isn’t. If you can stretch the right muscles a lot, it will certainly sound a bit strained if not obviously strained, but that doesn’t mean it’s dangerous to the vocal cords (I think for most pop singers, though, it does probably mean they are doing something unhealthy). And if someone was willing to pay me “big bucks” to sing a song that included the different voices I can produce, sure, I’d do it, but at least in the West, I don’t think that has caught on (and it may only work in the context of a romantic song that has a kind of story of strong emotions behind it).

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  4. Ty for replying i heard from a lot people that he strains a lot and that his larynx is high around F4 so i wasn’t sure i just find it strange none of his songs before 2012 had 5th octave high mix notes, he recently hit his new lowest note E2 so him learning to support his chest/mix might be happening

    For the SOS performance i think he is singing along to a track that staccato does sound funny i have seen all his SOS performances and that isnt normal for him it was probably because the sound quality was not good enough but daididau is definitely 100% live vocals i believe

    Yes i see it looks off unfortunately i cant tell about the pitch but i have noticed other fans bringing up that Dimash is off key a lot when hes not using playback but that Adagio performance was performed just 2 days before his daybreak singer2017 the same time he lost his voice and had a throat injection (idk if it was the flu or singing too much)

    The main reason why i believe his mix is difficult for him is because most of his performances were playback but now he has to perform live a lot more than he used to, even Dimash didn’t expect to become popular but i do believe he has improved a lot recently, he did a nice F#5 belt in his “my heart will go on” performance

    I also believe his love songs are his strong point good example is his “restart my love” performance

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    • Some singers simply sing songs that are beyond their capabilities, or can’t be sung well on a regular basis. In some cases, nobody can sing the song well because it is basically “studio magic.” If someone sings using a basic smart phone’s recording app, it’s a lot easier to figure out what their issues are, if any, especially if they sing the songs you ask them to (as I do with my students). I don’t teach singing in foreign languages so I can only say so much about it, and then others will have to decide if that is helpful to them.
      Otherwise, if enough people like the way he sings, that’s fine with me. As one gets older, though, one can lose the “boyish” voice, so that could be a problem for someone who is a young man as well.

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      • yeah hopefully he can keep his high voice hes doing good so far his main problem is not resting which was a big problem in 2017 since his contract (i could be wrong) got him performing everywhere because he was really popular

        from what i have heard from the community his main problem is his mix he can hit the notes quite consistently he just has a problem supporting them and it doesn’t help that hes hitting notes which are 1 octave over his supported chest/mix range

        i do have a playlist with Dimash singing at karaokes and singing without the mic and things like that on my youtube channel if you ever want to edit this page and add his pros and cons it would be cool to see what you think about his vocals that i have in my playlist (my name is bullypunch on youtube)

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    • bullypunch:

      You wrote in a later comment: “from what i have heard from the community his main problem is his mix he can hit the notes quite consistently he just has a problem supporting them and it doesn’t help that hes hitting notes which are 1 octave over his supported chest/mix range”

      What is the community you’re talking about? Is it online? I would like to join that conversation.

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      • Dimash’s fans are called Dears by Dimash. And the Dears have fan clubs all over the world. They are totally devoted to him and keep in touch with Dimash, his family and close knit crew. Dimash Kurdaibergen International Fan Club. This one is the main private group. You can join for free. Just don’t come in a bash on Dimash. Won’t go over I can tell you. There are man other groups that are not private as well. Check them out. They know the low down since he hit everybody between the eyes in 2017 at the Singer show. And no….those are NOT lip synced. The show has great sound and production. But it’s clean because it’s a contest. You can’t lip sync at a contest.

        What many people mistake for out of sync lip or body movement is the video itself being off. Sometimes by just a micro second. Enough to throw you off. Dimash prides himself on singing live and enjoys doing it. That’s why he does it. Not for the fame Of course you want to be successful….we all have to earn a living. But Dimash was born with perfect pitch. Both parents professional singers with the right environment , DNA, and lots of love and support. He trained with the best. But worked hard. Always vocalizing as much as safely allowed. Dimash is all about the music and the experience of it.

        If songs sound the same…..sometimes it’s hard for people to believe….but he’s that good. Depends on what’s going on and his schedule. And depends on the sound technicians as well. Dimash does NOT….I repeat NOT use Auto Tune. He might use some reverb for effect….but he does that as an artistic choice. His voice can be heard five blocks down and around the corner. Without a mic or music…he’s right on.

        The main thing is that the audience have the full benefit of what he can bring. And stay true to himself. A singer needs to perform as much as the listener wants to listen. It’s a two way street.

        Anyway, Check out the Deqrs. And go subscribe to Dimash’s YouTube channel is you want. His birthday is coming up on May 24 and they want to surprise him with a million subscribers. Whatever. I don’t think he needs it…but it’s the thought that counts.

        And for one last comment. I believe Dimash will prove to be legendary. Like Caruso ….or really, …there is no comparison. In my humble somewhat expert opinion…he’s a first. Setting a standard. But more…bringing a beautiful gift to the world. Once you know him as a human being…that’s it. Dimash is authentic. Music video’s aside….which you can tell are lip synced….what you see is what you get. He’s a painting. He’s a song. Dimash lives in music. As any artist struggles with….even Mozart….is public consumption vs the profound and innovative. Most people prefer the simpler tunes of a pop tune. Dimash brings another dimension. The west will try to change him to suit their tastes. I hope they don’t succeed. Because we all lose then. It would be sad to see excellence demoted to the common denominator. Sorry to go on…there is just so much here. But…

        Check it out.

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  5. Well, honestly, all the videos that you have posted of Dimash are examples of great singing abilities and his stage presense is also wonderful. He’s not the best singer in the world (as there is not such a thing), but he’s definately a whole lot talented.

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    • Sorry to get to your comment late (I’ve been busy with non-singing things). Traditional notions about “good singing” are falling by the wayside, I admit. Few “big” microphone singers don’t use substantial technological enhancements, and studio recordings are often “airbrushed” beyond reason (including obvious autotune on at least one of Michael Buble’s recordings). So, perhaps it’s best to divide things between those who do things like record a song using the most minimal of technology and upload onto Youtube on the one hand, and all others who sing pop songs on the other.

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  6. If you don’t understand the Asian musical culture how can you possibly make an article about an Asian artist singing in his traditional style and using pure Asian classic techniques!! It’s your lack of knowledge that make you think about his performances that way!! And who told you that he is singing Opera?!! Plus have you ever seen him in a live concert?!!! Of course not !! Yet you are judging!! Sad article from a sad artist that can’t even scratch the range of Dimash !!

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    • Because this blog is written for aspiring singers, not “fanboys” of any particular pop musical genre. No, it is simply not a good idea to sing out of tune or to stress your vocal cords when you are learning to sing. Once you understand the fundamentals, then you can go ahead and try new things. If someone wants to sing out of tune and get it corrected with auto-tune, that is beyond the scope of my blog, in terms of me teaching someone to sing “badly” on purpose. And yes, there is scientific evidence that humans uniquely sense pitch, so a strong case can be made that singing out of tune is “unnatural:”

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190711111913.htm

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  7. As a singer that once had his range as a teen (I never found a upper vocal limit until I started training as a bass singer) I can tell you that what I see in your videos is consistent with a good singer with perfect pitch.

    I can still perform runs and switches that sound autotuned because of how little weight I carry on my chords when I move between notes but I can’t do it at those high ranges anymore. So, yes, if I could do it with homeschool and highschool training, so can he with a masters in the art.

    Oh and he had plenty of concerts where he simply bombed completely. So, you can compare the vocal artifacts from those concerts to these “autotuned” ones for more evidence that he’s not faking it. With the right pipes this is easy. But you need the right pipes, training and dedication.

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    • First, there is no such thing as “perfect pitch.” Singers approximate the pitch to the point that the vast majority do not hear it as “out of tune.” Second, you would need to be more specific in your claims, such as “with the right pipes” something being easy. No, one needs to understand/learn the fundamentals, which I have articulated on this blog in several posts. Third, how can he be a great singer if he had plenty of concerts where he “simply bombed completely,” and how can you be sure when auto-tune is used and when it is not (it is not always obvious). Fourth, my take on Dimash is that he is trying to appear as some sort of “virtuoso singer,” but the fundamentals do not seem to be present (some are of course, but not all), and it’s not clear what technological enhancements are being used when he doesn’t “bomb completely.” When pop singers started screaming, that excited the young crowds, but was not singing, and as I have articulated in previous blog posts, which is where you can find citations of scientific evidence that speaks to what needs to happen, physically, in order to sing (no just “vocalize”). Sure, some affectation is common in pop music, but when it’s mostly affectation or when the pitch is obviously off, that is not fundamentally-sound. This is a blog for aspiring singers, not for those who want to sing in some sort of new, odd way that is not fundamentally-sound. There are “voice coaches” who claim to teach all kinds of vocalization “tricks,” such as growling and rasp, but I don’t do that until the aspiring singer is fundamentally sound and can detect cord stress. Even then, I could only offer some simple, safe ideas; I think a lot of what is being done in this context today is not safe for the cords, and is only possible with a lot of technological modification of the vocals.

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      • Ok, your understanding of basic music is suspect if you believe Dimash is off-pitch on the regular. In all the links you have shown, NOT ONE was off pitch. I don’t know you, I don’t know what you do. But let me tell you, if you work in the music industry and walk into your boss’ office and show this music as an example of poor singing, you will be out on your arse posthaste. That’s one point I don’t even know how to debate you on.

        We could perform a spectrographic analysis of his singing to show you that when he sings, his on-center pitch is actually ON CENTER, and then his seconds, thirds, and fourths occur EXACTLY where they need to be, hence why people think he’s autotuned. SPECIFICALLY, this is why I can sing like him, because I can produce a similar spectrograph with my voice. Like I said, you need the right pipes, most of the sound you are hearing from him are artifacts of his instruments. The flourishes he performs are completely learnable. For example, THIS WEEK, I learned how to growl and rasp on any note. I can’t do it as competently as Dimash or some Rock/Metal stars can do it, but I’m working on it and have the technique down.

        Lastly, your insistence that what you have heard previously is now the pinnacle of music and you are its true and final arbiter is, well, interesting. I am not a westerner, but I am classically trained in western singing. But I also mastered singing in the style of my side of the planet (Africa), and marrying the two have won me accolades and allowed me to perform with people that I adore. But, you seem to think that Bel-canto singing (or whatever it is you are alluding to here) is the only valid form of singing. My friend, you need to leave your couch and travel some, or at least if you do travel, you need to not be the stereotypical racist westerner that thinks that what he has is the best. That way, you will GENUINELY experience what the world has to offer and grow in your understanding of how things work.

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      • This entire post and all of your responses can be reduced to these two things: You just don’t like what Kudaibergen does. That’s a subjective impression.

        You ask whether differences between performances is explained by use of technology. The third video you posted is not a good performance. Frankly, he looks exhausted. He looks like he is almost struggling, or compromising, based on what his voice is able to do in the moment. I think he acutely aware of when he can do something and when he can’t. The recording, too, is extremely subpar. I don’t think it is capturing his voice well at all. Put all that together and, yes, I think it fair to say this is not among his best.

        But, I’m not a professional or amateur student of the sciences related to singing and human vocalization. I do love music though, and I love Kudaibergen. I don’t think he is supernatural, superhuman—he is a highly trained singer who has formally studied Broadway, classical and contemporary vocals . Kudaibergen is also studying composition. You can find all this like I did at Wikipedia. I’d call him exceptional and original and fascinating and one of the best singers and performers in the world. I think that’s fair to say, too. You may not agree, but you can’t say it’s unreasonable or blind, either.

        Your argument is speculation based on evidence which does not really support it. Can you provide direct evidence that he uses a “lot of technoloical modification”?

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      • First, this blog is for aspiring singers. If you are not an aspiring singer, you are welcome to read it, of course, but I’m not going to modify my focus to accommodate you. Second, blogs are usually for the author to express his/her opinion. In my case, I supplement my experiences, understanding, and observations with scientific papers whenever I can find ones that speak to the issue at hand. If you disagree, that’s fine, but I’m not going to get into debates unless you present a counter claim/argument. Saying that you are a fan of this or that pop singer/vocalist (or that he she has made a lot of money) is not a counter argument, at least in the context of this blog. Making excuses for a vocalist’s bad performance is not helpful here, because we don’t know if that is true nor does it really matter, because again, this is for aspiring singers, and whatever the cause of someone’s performance is not the issue, but rather what actually happened, especially in terms of technique, or how technique failed. And as to technological enhancement, these days it’s not a matter of whether but how much, or even if the person is actually doing any vocalizing at all (plenty of “major stars” just lip syncing now). I can’t demand that this or that pop star do what I’ve done with my singing here (I guess I could try but it would obviously be a waste of time in nearly every case, if I was even able to get that request to them!), which is to use the basic recording app on an inexpensive smart phone to demonstrate my technique, so all I can do is use what is available online. There is plenty of information online about technological enhance of the voice for microphone singers, so just do some simple google/youtube searches if you think I have made any claim that appears to you to be inaccurate.

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      • “Fourth, my take on Dimash is that he is trying to appear as some sort of ‘virtuoso singer,’ but the fundamentals do not seem to be present (some are of course, but not all), and it’s not clear what technological enhancements are being used when he doesn’t “bomb completely.’”

        You just contradict yourself. If he always uses technological enhancements, how can he ever sound off or wrong at all? How could he miss? You make an assumption that he uses enhancements. You admit you don’t know what they are. How could you tell the difference between a good Dimash performance that was not enhanced and a good Dimash performance that wasn’t?

        You’ve answered that question yourself: You can’t. All you have is your assumption that, of course, all pop stars and singer celebrities on these talent shows use enhancements. If he sounds TOO good, he’s using enhancements. How do you know? Ah, because look! Here is a video of him singing the same song but not nearly as well! Aha! See? Assumption: validated.

        Can I just say, at least in this blog post and your responses, you sound idiotic.

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    • “However, I think he might get “called out” here in the USA for using auto-tune in an obvious way, for example (this is my guess as to at least how some of the sounds were generated).”

      Wait, wait, wait. He is using auto-tune “in an obvious way.” Uh-huh. Obvious. Okay. “…this is my guess as to at least how some of the sounds were generated.” Right. Which is it? Is it obvious to the USA but then it’s just you guessing? Weak tea, Mr Spinner. Weak tea.

      What a waste of time it was reading this blog.

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      • He doesn’t need auto-tune. There are so many videos with his singing without mic, acapella, fan cams. They are very easy to find for somebody who really wants.
        For example this one, more than 30 minutes of live singing without mic:

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      • I think it’s about the claim. If you are claiming to be a great singer, auto-tune should never be used. He’s certainly not a bad singer, but I fail to see “greatness,” and indeed one would have to define greatness first anyway. He may be “great” by the standards of singing in his society/language, but I can’t speak to that, and my commentary is based upon what singers are doing in the context of what those who want to sing in English should be aiming for, in my opinion, obviously, as this is my blog! If someone wanted to sing sort of like him, but in English, it might be better to go the classical route, because there doesn’t seem to be a pop analog or parallel. For example, he uses supported falsetto at times, but it sounds more like what some Heavy Metal singers have done than counter-tenors in the West, in terms of technique (not style).

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      • I don’t understand how this response relates to my comment. I responded to your unsubstantiated claim that he must be using auto-tune and brought you numerous examples of his singing that prove that he doesn’t need auto-tune. In your response you just wrote that “If you are claiming to be a great singer, auto-tune should never be used” and that continued to talk about his style of singing being different from the standard in the West. Why should you write that auto-tune should never be used under a video that shows that he obviously doesn’t need auto-tune? All the rest is a matter of personal opinion and taste, but I think that my point about auto-tune should be clear enough.
        By the way, he was trained as an opera singer and was officially offered a position in an opera house, but chose to develop in his own direction. It’s a matter of choice, not of ability.

        fan cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-fT9EhsCpQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1DH91u0ZTvLs1HZhMjL0fSzkV79U4V8HU-U37VCbCvjmSVOgGuHO4KPvY
        fan cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX7fkXTBnQE&list=RD_11g0SqXsJE&start_radio=1
        fan cam: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGmc4ukcymo
        Why should you claim, without any shred of proof, that a singer like that needs auto-tune? Why do you call him a mic singer when it is obvious he can sing as well without mic? You don’t have to like his style, but to claim such things without any basis is an entirely different thing.

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      • Once again, this is a blog for aspiring singers. I am writing primarily for those who want to sing optimally but with a microphone, as opposed to how opera singers are trained. I believe there is a gap here because most (perhaps nearly all) “voice coaches” don’t tailor their lessons to fit the microphone, so to speak.

        What I hear in any particular performance by a particular singer does not mean a generalization can be made. Dimash knows how to sing, at least in a particular way, which is fine. The original intent of the post, from what I can remember at this point, was to demonstrate to aspiring singers that they should not be concerned about trying to emulate “the best” because singers who are being paid a great deal of money or given expensive venues (such as the finals on “The Voice”) are going to have their voices enhanced, if for no other reason than the people who are paying the “big bucks” want to ensure that nothing embarrassing occurs (such as “voice cracking,” which even happened to Pavarotti on a few occasions!).

        Even if a singer is able to perform “incredibly” one night, it doesn’t mean he/she will be able to repeat that the next night. Sometimes, they go beyond their physical limits and are not able to sing the way they want more than once a week or so. And even then,that might only be possible for a year before their voices degenerate substantially. Consistency from one performance to another and even within one song demonstrates a command of the fundamentals of singing. I’m not sure if Dimash possesses as much consistency as he possibly can – that would be something I might work with him on, if he were to take lessons from me. In the meantime, what I can do is to use the videos that are available online to make some points about learning how to sing with a microphone.

        There are plenty of people who trained as opera singers but whose singing (at least with a microphone) is questionable, for example:

        Anyone would require auto-tune if they go beyond their capabilities, yet still want to be on pitch, though singing one song may require it whereas another does not. Anyone who can sing with a microphone can sing without one, but if he/she is singing live, the sound may not be audible without the use of mic/amplification (that is true of nearly all pop vocalists who actually sing and are doing so in anything other than a tiny venue). My “claims” are my guesses or opinions based upon what I have been able to find online. Anything else I’d say here I have said somewhere above (in the comments or the post), so I shall refrain from possible further redundancy.

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  8. Do you have any citations to back what you said that being off-key ( but self-consistent) could be “un-natural”? I read the article you posted and it didn’t support that assertion but I’m thinking you may have more research you’d be willing to share on that.

    Genuinely curious.

    @Think Man, can you share an example of your spectrography as compared to Dimash?

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    • Not sure what claim you are referring to but it sounds like this one:

      QUOTE: The fact that untrained people can’t find a note even with help, and even after many tries, suggests that the brain is insistent on producing the error, even when the ear knows better. They know they’re off-key, but they can’t find their way to the right notes. Hutchins’ conclusion: Our brains have the ability to signal the voice to produce the correct note, but have mapped out the wrong output to match a perceived note. “Our brains are quite good at perception, which is why so many of us enjoy listening to music without being great musicians,” he says. But those same brains give our vocal cords faulty instructions. UNQUOTE.

      http://discovermagazine.com/2014/julyaug/11-singing-in-the-brain

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      • Hi Nick,

        I’ll paste what you wrote that I was referring to:

        “And yes, there is scientific evidence that humans uniquely sense pitch, so a strong case can be made that singing out of tune is “unnatural:”

        https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190711111913.htm

        I’m looking for the strong case that there is a natural pitch, e.g. 440Hz, that is critical, as opposed to an on-key rendition which is based around a 442Hz A.

        The study you linked only supports the notion that humans are more keenly aware (at the neurological level) that some vocalization contains tonal variability. It’s not stating that the tonal variability needs to be in tune or, even further, aligned with a specific orthodox tuning.

        If you do have a study supporting that, I would be keenly interested in seeing it.

        thanks!

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  9. I am getting the sense that your blog is for aspiring singers. But this blog *post* makes a lot of claims (some disguised as objective questions) about Dimash and his abilities. I know it’s about that because, well…I read it.

    You don’t know what, if any, technological enhancement is used at all in Dimash’s performances. Glad we agree on this point.

    A question from a layperson to a professional like yourself, though: how many aspiring singers would take the advice of someone who writes a blog post like this one?

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  10. And you never said what “big note” was so discordant to you. Maybe some aspiring singers might want to know what you think is discordant.

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  11. After all the sarcasm above, I am actually interested in a lot you have to say on this blog. In your About Me, you say were in a band—do you sing now? I couldn’t find any links or videos of your own about this or just about singing in general.

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  12. One last thing, a correction. I wrote:

    “You don’t know what, if any, technological enhancement is used at all in Dimash’s performances. Glad we agree on this point.”

    That’s not really what you said and I misrepresented your argument. You think everybody uses these enhancements, at least, most anyone that isn’t singing classical or opera. But we do agree that you cannot identify the ones you assume Dimash is using.

    Not sure if this is better or worse, but at least it’s more accurate.

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  13. The singer’s performances are live performances because Dimash took the stage and sang his voice live for the audience, accompanied by a live orchestra. The final versions that were broadcast on TV and uploaded online were still live performances, but they used some small digital enhancements (effects) to make some high notes sound louder or clearer like the F # 5 Rocky note in SOS and the last D6 note on Show Must Go On, they did it for impact value nothing more. What was used on the show most often is “Pitch Correction”, which corrects any minor pitch and pitch errors made by the singer in his live performance, but it was only a minor pitch correction, meaning that the performances (at least Dimash’s performances had very little I need that because he has perfect hearing, which is a natural gift some people have). The previous episode of each season is broadcast live without any post production and you can tell because a very good singer like Jessie J went out of tune several times and Sandy Lam also had major adjustment issues. Dimash performed “Hello” and “Give Me Love” without any post-production and they were perfect, just one moment on “Hello”, where he went flat on a note. There is audio and in some cases video of your rehearsals and private performances during the show, if interested, please let me know.
    Regarding “Sinful Passion & Olimpico” Sinful Passion, the closest thing we have to a live performance is one of the performances at the Kremlin Palace where Dimash sang at least 80% of the song, including the operatic run & whistle. and fast vocal cuts. and the crassendo at the end of the mixed belt A # 5, after he does the phenomenal crassendo, the audio starts to be identical to the track used in previous performances (he did something but it was too much effort to hold the crazy A # 5 during more than 23 seconds with rund and riffs during a long concert full of very hard and vocally demanding songs). “Olimpico” is where it becomes very difficult to say with certainty because it is an opera piece with very little room for changes and improvisations. After listening to the lossless audio version of each performance, I can tell you this: 1) he used his voice live in New York, Kiev and VTB Arena, which means he only used partial playback in some parts. The king of his performances and the one I would bet my money on as the most likely candidate for a full live performance is his performance at the “Kremlin Palace.” Note that there is a split-second delay between the audio and video of the Kremlin performance, but that was a bug from the TV broadcast and is almost imperceptible to the eye if you’re not looking for it.

    In the end, it meant that Dimash sings about 90% of the songs completely live at his concerts, even with the incredible physical exertion and vocal demands that most of his songs require. Which is insane because most singers today don’t come close to that ratio, even with their much easier songs.

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  14. Димаш is a legend. He can sing both as a tenor and as a countertenor, and has an impressive amount of control in switching genres. Nothing is autotuned. He has demonstrated that he can make all the sounds he does on a microphone without it. I agree that sometimes it can come across as a bit of a circus act, but he’s still very impressive.

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  15. i think that part of your problem with dimash is that he is constantly mixing contemporary sounds with classical/operatic sounds, and it can change from word to word and note to note, which given how unusual for it is to have the two blended together can result in something sounding inconsistent or perhaps like you are poorly trained or lack control. i believe the opposite is the case for him as he was trained in classical and contemporary singing from the age of 5 til now, has a degree in both styles of singing, as well as a masters in musical composition. what i believe he is doing is completely controlled and unique in the constant switching and variance. most opera singers that i’ve watched talk and explain what he’s doing seem to reach the same conclusion due to the fact that his mouth positioning and lack of strain in his throat/stance/face tend to point to control vs lack of it. but you’re right, that is not something that anyone learning to sing should be doing at all.

    as for vocal enhancements, the only tings i’ve noted in what i’ve heard/seen are reverb and that’s generally about it. take that as you will. but that certainly isn’t autotune or whatever else you may think is going on. i will note, that he frequently (at least in his most recent performances since 2017) will do something with the mic to prove that it is actually a live performance, some control of the sound, waving it to create a staccato effect, things of that nature.

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  16. Okay first of all, that video of him singing adagio was filmed on a potato. Secondly, he was sick during that performance. I definitely think your arguments are interesting and legit and I think I get what your’re saying (so I;m not at all discounting it), but using a video with such bad quality audio recording and of a performance of one of his worst days is not a fair comparison.

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  17. It is always easier to criticise than to create,,he is special, he is unique, he can sing baritone, tenor and soprano, Whoever wrote this article I just want to ask you one question,, can you even sing better than him,?

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